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	<title>Comments on: The root of our dispute is I value substance over form and thus manage to learn and grow, while you cling to form and, thus, dwell in mediocrity.</title>
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		<title>By: GPG Over Analog - Hardware Device for Secure Voice Communications &#171; whaack</title>
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		<dc:creator>GPG Over Analog - Hardware Device for Secure Voice Communications &#171; whaack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Oct 2023 23:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Robinson Dorion</title>
		<link>http://dorion-mode.com/2023/07/the-root-of-our-dispute-is-i-value-substance-over-form-and-thus-manage-to-learn-and-grow-while-you-cling-to-form-and-thus-dwell-in-mediocrity/#comment-4545</link>
		<dc:creator>Robinson Dorion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2023 20:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whaack &lt;a href="http://jfxpt.com/2023/jwrd-logs-for-oct-2023/#9396" rel="nofollow"&gt;noted&lt;/a&gt; I made an error in linking to The Whet, it's fixed now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whaack <a href="http://jfxpt.com/2023/jwrd-logs-for-oct-2023/#9396" rel="nofollow">noted</a> I made an error in linking to The Whet, it's fixed now.</p>
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		<title>By: Robinson Dorion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robinson Dorion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2023 16:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Diana Coman
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just another rehash in the bitcoin context of that old mystical entrepreneurship approach
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That story definitely call to mind the cab drivers here, who will "offer", unsolicitedly, how the Canal makes some money and they crawled out of mother's cunt on this here land bridge and thus, it's "wrong" they don't get a piece of the cake too. They of course never worked for it in any way and are already , in all cases, indirect and in many cases direct beneficiaries of it, but the reason they're poor isn't cause they suck and would rather drink shitty beer and listen to terrible music on weekends rather than read blogs and develop marketable skills, but because the rich people steal. Sure, politicians certainly skim of some cream, but the few of them taking what they can get their hands on isn't any better than or morally justified than spreading it around for the many to fritter away. No.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
as an attempt to solve the tension of modernism giving way to traditionalism.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Right, and hence all the cheap love, only god can judge, etcetera piled so very high in the Christian dogma. They'd like claim Christianity is "traditional" and "important" for the development of "western civilization" "joyously" ignorant to the fact that poison ruined both &lt;a href="http://trilema.com/2018/heres-how-pantsuitism-christianity-ruined-civilisation-in-both-the-ancient-and-the-modern-world/" rel="nofollow"&gt;antiquity and modernity&lt;/a&gt;.

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Fwiw, I find their brand of 'love' extremely offensive and certainly more offensive than any crude words or expression can ever be.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Word, apropos, cu cea mai mare placere, care de fapt se rostogoleste destul de frumos de pe limba.

@Jacob Welsh

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another trilema ref presently eluding me
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I kind of doubt &lt;a href="http://trilema.com/2016/mpex-smpoe-closing-statement/#footnote_4_65651" rel="nofollow"&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; is the one you were going for, but it came to mind. Or maybe it was the &lt;a href="http://trilema.com/2016/mpex-smpoe-closing-statement/#footnote_5_65651" rel="nofollow"&gt;next footnote&lt;/a&gt; from the same article, quoting an evergreen tardstalk post from hanbot ? Or maybe the &lt;a href="http://trilema.com/2020/closure/" rel="nofollow"&gt;fateful closure&lt;/a&gt; ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Diana Coman</p>
<blockquote><p>
just another rehash in the bitcoin context of that old mystical entrepreneurship approach
</p></blockquote>
<p>That story definitely call to mind the cab drivers here, who will "offer", unsolicitedly, how the Canal makes some money and they crawled out of mother's cunt on this here land bridge and thus, it's "wrong" they don't get a piece of the cake too. They of course never worked for it in any way and are already , in all cases, indirect and in many cases direct beneficiaries of it, but the reason they're poor isn't cause they suck and would rather drink shitty beer and listen to terrible music on weekends rather than read blogs and develop marketable skills, but because the rich people steal. Sure, politicians certainly skim of some cream, but the few of them taking what they can get their hands on isn't any better than or morally justified than spreading it around for the many to fritter away. No.</p>
<blockquote><p>
as an attempt to solve the tension of modernism giving way to traditionalism.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Right, and hence all the cheap love, only god can judge, etcetera piled so very high in the Christian dogma. They'd like claim Christianity is "traditional" and "important" for the development of "western civilization" "joyously" ignorant to the fact that poison ruined both <a href="http://trilema.com/2018/heres-how-pantsuitism-christianity-ruined-civilisation-in-both-the-ancient-and-the-modern-world/" rel="nofollow">antiquity and modernity</a>.</p>
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Fwiw, I find their brand of 'love' extremely offensive and certainly more offensive than any crude words or expression can ever be.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Word, apropos, cu cea mai mare placere, care de fapt se rostogoleste destul de frumos de pe limba.</p>
<p>@Jacob Welsh</p>
<blockquote><p>
another trilema ref presently eluding me
</p></blockquote>
<p>I kind of doubt <a href="http://trilema.com/2016/mpex-smpoe-closing-statement/#footnote_4_65651" rel="nofollow">this</a> is the one you were going for, but it came to mind. Or maybe it was the <a href="http://trilema.com/2016/mpex-smpoe-closing-statement/#footnote_5_65651" rel="nofollow">next footnote</a> from the same article, quoting an evergreen tardstalk post from hanbot ? Or maybe the <a href="http://trilema.com/2020/closure/" rel="nofollow">fateful closure</a> ?</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Welsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob Welsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2023 05:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;WTF, all problems ? Give me a fucking break, Bitcoin is a tool, not some silver bullet for all problems. Clearly isn't solving the problem of computer illiteracy for these marks. Thye could use it to become literate, if they apply themselves, but instead of learning to shoot the bullet, they're apparently using the bullet as a butt plug.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The Brightest Pearl Butt Bullets, totally a great name for a band.

Otherwise, it recalls to mind &lt;a href="http://trilema.com/2020/the-seven-laws/#comment-158605" rel="nofollow"&gt;this reply&lt;/a&gt;. Despite the theory of bitcoin creating a clean &#38; crisp learning environment for finance [another trilema ref presently eluding me] not to mention computing and other skills, and incentivizing it with all the carrots and sticks one could ask for, it nonetheless has a poor record of successfully changing anyone, at least on its own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>WTF, all problems ? Give me a fucking break, Bitcoin is a tool, not some silver bullet for all problems. Clearly isn't solving the problem of computer illiteracy for these marks. Thye could use it to become literate, if they apply themselves, but instead of learning to shoot the bullet, they're apparently using the bullet as a butt plug.</p></blockquote>
<p>The Brightest Pearl Butt Bullets, totally a great name for a band.</p>
<p>Otherwise, it recalls to mind <a href="http://trilema.com/2020/the-seven-laws/#comment-158605" rel="nofollow">this reply</a>. Despite the theory of bitcoin creating a clean &amp; crisp learning environment for finance [another trilema ref presently eluding me] not to mention computing and other skills, and incentivizing it with all the carrots and sticks one could ask for, it nonetheless has a poor record of successfully changing anyone, at least on its own.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana Coman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana Coman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2023 06:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this &lt;a href="http://dorion-mode.com/2023/07/the-root-of-our-dispute-is-i-value-substance-over-form-and-thus-manage-to-learn-and-grow-while-you-cling-to-form-and-thus-dwell-in-mediocrity/?b=with%20beliefs&#38;e=humanity#select" rel="nofollow"&gt;description&lt;/a&gt; is not just pulling one's leg, they are literally aiming for a church there, huh. Basically you got tut-tutted at for whistling and saying bad words in church, mazel tov!

It quite fits too, what with all that cheap 'love' that is always - somehow! - just conveniently matching what the proponents prefer at any given time, never ever requiring any actual effort or change and turning out, unsurprisingly, entirely ineffectual should one ever need some concrete help (though they'll get plenty more loving-words thrown at them, for sure). As if this sort of convenience-by-another-name is what &lt;a href="http://ossasepia.com/2020/01/01/this-resonance-called-love/?b=resonates&#38;e=#select" rel="nofollow"&gt;love even is&lt;/a&gt; to start with. Then again, I suppose this sort of 'love' mirrors quite well the cheapness of what goes for 'hate' nowadays, that &lt;a href="http://ossasepia.com/2019/11/08/an-appeal-for-enemies/#comment-6970" rel="nofollow"&gt;negligible service that could be had for the cost of a parrot&lt;/a&gt;. Basically there are love-parrots and hate-parrots, one group goes to parrot-church 1 and another group goes to parrot-church 2. I suppose the saving grace in here is that bots are perfect church goers and they can even go to all churches at the same time, they are quite inclusive, like that.

From one perspective though, it makes perhaps some sense as a quite desperate attempt to overturn the tide, to get on the right side of it through just another rehash in the bitcoin context of that old &lt;a href="http://ossasepia.com/2011/01/29/antreprenorii-si-misticismul/" rel="nofollow"&gt;mystical entrepreneurship&lt;/a&gt; approach as an attempt to solve the tension of &lt;a href="http://trilema.com/2016/modernism-and-traditionalism/?b=distinction%20in%20trade&#38;e=#select" rel="nofollow"&gt;modernism giving way to traditionalism&lt;/a&gt;. Fundamentally offering prayer and religious service (that's also always and forever branding itself as 'love', isn't it) to the very, very cold new god of bitcoin. It couldn't be more mismatched if it tried, seeing how bitcoin is just pure and definitive Maths, with all the emotions of entirely abstract thought but well, they are offering what they can and they 'help' one another by propping up their hopes - especially those in dire need of propping up - as much as possible, indeed. Without such support by the group, who knows, at least some of them might have to give up unsustainable hopes and gain instead some sustainable and concrete results. Very unloving perspective on it, I'm sure.

Fwiw, I find their brand of 'love' extremely offensive and certainly more offensive than any crude words or expression can ever be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this <a href="http://dorion-mode.com/2023/07/the-root-of-our-dispute-is-i-value-substance-over-form-and-thus-manage-to-learn-and-grow-while-you-cling-to-form-and-thus-dwell-in-mediocrity/?b=with%20beliefs&amp;e=humanity#select" rel="nofollow">description</a> is not just pulling one's leg, they are literally aiming for a church there, huh. Basically you got tut-tutted at for whistling and saying bad words in church, mazel tov!</p>
<p>It quite fits too, what with all that cheap 'love' that is always - somehow! - just conveniently matching what the proponents prefer at any given time, never ever requiring any actual effort or change and turning out, unsurprisingly, entirely ineffectual should one ever need some concrete help (though they'll get plenty more loving-words thrown at them, for sure). As if this sort of convenience-by-another-name is what <a href="http://ossasepia.com/2020/01/01/this-resonance-called-love/?b=resonates&amp;e=#select" rel="nofollow">love even is</a> to start with. Then again, I suppose this sort of 'love' mirrors quite well the cheapness of what goes for 'hate' nowadays, that <a href="http://ossasepia.com/2019/11/08/an-appeal-for-enemies/#comment-6970" rel="nofollow">negligible service that could be had for the cost of a parrot</a>. Basically there are love-parrots and hate-parrots, one group goes to parrot-church 1 and another group goes to parrot-church 2. I suppose the saving grace in here is that bots are perfect church goers and they can even go to all churches at the same time, they are quite inclusive, like that.</p>
<p>From one perspective though, it makes perhaps some sense as a quite desperate attempt to overturn the tide, to get on the right side of it through just another rehash in the bitcoin context of that old <a href="http://ossasepia.com/2011/01/29/antreprenorii-si-misticismul/" rel="nofollow">mystical entrepreneurship</a> approach as an attempt to solve the tension of <a href="http://trilema.com/2016/modernism-and-traditionalism/?b=distinction%20in%20trade&amp;e=#select" rel="nofollow">modernism giving way to traditionalism</a>. Fundamentally offering prayer and religious service (that's also always and forever branding itself as 'love', isn't it) to the very, very cold new god of bitcoin. It couldn't be more mismatched if it tried, seeing how bitcoin is just pure and definitive Maths, with all the emotions of entirely abstract thought but well, they are offering what they can and they 'help' one another by propping up their hopes - especially those in dire need of propping up - as much as possible, indeed. Without such support by the group, who knows, at least some of them might have to give up unsustainable hopes and gain instead some sustainable and concrete results. Very unloving perspective on it, I'm sure.</p>
<p>Fwiw, I find their brand of 'love' extremely offensive and certainly more offensive than any crude words or expression can ever be.</p>
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		<title>By: Robinson Dorion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robinson Dorion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2023 03:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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